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Are you trolling or just terrible reading comprehsion? Being able to kill a freighter with 10 cata in highsec is stupid, I couldn't care less if you could do it against autopilot freighters tho.

It doesn't matter if it's only 30/month, imagine if you could easily kill jfs with 10 inty just camping gates with a "mobile jf interceptor 3000", people would complain because it's a bad design, same here.
Risk vs reward, having options that doesn't require alts or corpmates (since moving a freighter is tedious and unfun) all that.

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I doubt Inifinity got banned. Probably Kaarous just trolling as usual as he has an axe to grind with Infinity.

If you don't know how to launder your loot with the fleet hangar in an Orca, you really shouldn't be ganking. the freighters picking up the loot are as safe as a baby in its mother womb

First, there is no rarity, just over-estimation of how many freighters actually pass per hour. I remember sitting for an hour on a Jita gate during a peak, gates were closed, and in an hour I've seen only about 30 or so freighters hanging there with me.

Well eighter way, removing more ehp off these already fragile ships, making them more common with lower ehp will result in a rabbits race for kb padding. To me that would more of an isk sink short term, and leaves a no choice in fitting long term.

I will have to pay 1.5 Billion for T2 rigs to get the same cargohold on my Rhea and then I still get the align-time nerf!

Either or under criminal timer.

Power projection as we currently have it is bad because it makes the game world smaller, while allowing large groups to adapt way too quickly. See the blue donut.

Yes, I'm so cowardly. I regularly jump and fly around in a ship that costs the same as 3 carriers and a dread, that has no modules on it and is full to the brim with lots of really expensive materials! So obviously it should be possible for 10 Goon alts in Catalysts with 750,000 skillpoints to totally gank me anywhere they like.

The instalock nado with arties in sufficient numbers will still alpha a freighter or JF that's not "max tanked" at a positive isks efficiency for a 1.6 b or especially for a 6 to 8 billion isk ship +modules and cargo.
ibn the end though, the EHP will be the deciding factor.

Oooooh; I've a nice conspiracy theory that's spawned out of this.
I've just noticed the bonus '-10% jump fuel requirements' for JF's.

I must of worded that poorly. I meant you don't put the PLEX in the game until you are in the right station. Is there a mecanic I'm missing where there is a need to move PLEX around?

Probably my biggest grief with EVEs design is that ganking empty vessels, even in highsec space, greatly favors the ganker.

If we compare this to the typical gankers side of the equation he is not going to be podded, he risks only his ship and loses a lot less than the victim does in ship value. Using your own numbers the gankers lose 2.5 billion to gank a vessel worth 6 billion with cargo of lets say 1 billion and implants of another 500million for a total differential of 5 billion in favor of the gankers.

Ive long felt that the while i support a differential that favors ganking that the differential that currently exists makes the ganking for giggles equation so tempting that balancing this and ganking for profit damn near impossible to balance.

My mackinaw was popped by 2 dessies, they didnt even bother to loot either my ship or their own, i came back and looted and salvaged all the wrecks myself.

Even in highsec space you rarely see hulks being operated because the killmail giggles are so easy to get that flying a hulk anywhere is stupid. It isnt just goons that are involved in hulkageddon anymore it is practically anyone with a trigger finger and while im using only one type of ship here as an example the same ratios exist for most hauling vessels it is just that getting 10 friends together to take out a freighter is harder to do than you getting into your catalyst and blasting hulks to space debris.

And you likewise assume that the gankers are idiots and arent prepared for counter measures, I would not underestimate the planning that gankers put in to ganking larger targets.

It is not my supposition that a ganker can gank eternally without some form of econmic support for wasting ships giggle-ganking it is my supposition that it so favors the gankers that like my experience with the two dessies wasting my mackinaw and the hundreds of hulks that get wasted during hulkageddon there is such huge financial favoritism towards the ganker that they dont really even have to think about their lost ship value, while the hulk and any other basically defenseless ships have to take this situation into account every time they undock.

Please direct your favorite web browser to minerbumping.com. James 315 and his bunch of merry men have now raised more than 350 billion ISK in contributions from other players. The ISK is used to refund the losses of suicide gankers, who systematically attack miners and haulers in HiSec. That is how and why they don't run out of ISK despite the systematic losses.

Earlier in the thread I listed KillIDs off 6 empty freighters suicide ganked by CODEdot et al. and piloted by players in NPC corporations. This was for May alone within the system of Isanamo.

About a month ago your own alliance, Goonswarm Federation, ran a little 3 day event called Burn Jita 3. Around 150 freighters or JFs, empty or otherwise, were ganked over the weekend. I Was There(TM). They did not discriminate. You will have to ask your alliance leadership how this event was funded on your end, but apparently the idea behind the event was - in part - to show that the CFC/nullsec alliances has so much ISK that burning some of it on an event like Burn Jita 3 is pocket change.

I would call both events organized and sustained. Burn Jita ran for the third time this year, while the ganks in Lonetrek is an ongoing event.

I know taking someones words out of context makes refuting them much easier but it is an invalid form of argumentation so Ive included my full statement for others that may not have read it in its entirety.

Further I state that the only real reason you dont see more giggle-ganking of freighters is that getting together 10 friends that want to giggle-gank just because you are in the mood to do so is much harder than just pulling out your catalyst and giggle-ganking exhumers.

The cost of giggle-ganking is in essence coming at the expense of not freighter pilots that will get ganked either way but at the expense of for profit ganking. I assert that if more emphasis in the game were placed on balancing the losses on both sides of a gank, financially speaking, then giggle-ganking would decrease and the net extra income floating about would go to for profit gankers without increasing the losses suffered overall by freighters.

In saying that however Freighters 'should' get real fittings (As in same kind of slot layout as other capital ships), there should be real mechanics for a fleet to support a ship in high sec that actually work against suicide ganks (I.E. Remote shield extenders instead of reps which only work after the fact)

, and then when people fail fit their freighters, we have real reason to point and laugh at them. 'You put a full load of minerals in your hold' should not be an automatic 'LOL, GANK NOWZ' level of items in a freighter, yet the value is such that it is in the current meta.